January 06, 2004
You Are Illegal!
If I hear the term "illegal immigrants" one more time, I may vomit.
Let's get this argument over with once and for all. If you live in the continents of America, and are not of native ancestry, YOU ARE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!
All human beings living here are part of one of theses three groups: 1 - The original human residents of this land who came here before all others. 2 - Children of the original "immigrants" who came primarily from Europe and started the new "nations" here, and 3 - Those who came afterwards, normally through a process of immigration (documented or otherwise) or naturalization of some sort.
Now to determine who is legal and who is not, let's first define legality. This may not be the actual classic definition, but in my view laws are sets of written and unwritten rules a society accepts as standards they wish to run their communities by. For example, a society decides that having sex with a person under the age of 18 is unacceptable, so they make it illegal and even set penalties for it. These laws are different from each country and society to another but some basics such as stealing, killing and rape are frowned upon by almost all human beings. Simple enough? Hope so.
So, let's see who is legal now?
That first group who settled in these continents and their time of arrival dates back to thousands of years, came when no other humans were here. So, they could not have broken any laws and therefore pass the test for being "legal".
Group two came with specific notions of taking away gold or slaves or to take over land they did not own. In order to get their wishes, they killed, raped, tortured and committed atrocities right down to genocide. Although I don't know if any actual records exist, it's hard to imagine the native residents considered stealing, murder or rape as acceptable actions in their land and therefore the newcomers clearly broke the laws set by the communities they invaded and never had any permission to come here to begin with, so they were illegal. They, along with their families and children they produced are the first wave of illegal immigrants to theses shores who went on to carve out new nations, cities and communities based on an illegal invasion.
The third group came either with permission of others who were here illegally and therefore are illegal to begin with, or just crossed into new territories already claimed by those illegals in continuation of breaking the laws and norms acceptable by the original natives. This group then is also illegal in its entirety, regardless of the papers they may have been issues by other illegals or not.
So...
Once again, if you live in the continents of Americas, and are not of native ancestry, YOU ARE ILLEGAL!
End of my argument.
Posted by Pedram at January 6, 2004 07:49 PMYep!
Posted by: sister-scorpion at January 6, 2004 10:32 PMAn appropriate quote from Persian philosopher/futurist F.M. Esfandiary (or FM-2030, as was his legal name):
"There are no illegal immigrants, only irrelevant borders."
Posted by: Amid at January 6, 2004 11:35 PMWhat does this post supposed to mean Pedram? That Americans should open their borders and welcome everybody without applying any regulations? Can you imagine the chaos that it creates?
Hey, where ever or however the early immigrants came from, today they have to have rules. I'll never tell an American official that since your ancestors invaded this continent illegally then you have to give me my naturalization papers, no questions asked. The no borders rhetoric is good for poetry and songs but not in the harsh reality of life. Be more pragmatic man.
Mexico has agriculture, sea coasts, ancient cities, tourism, mountains, tin, copper, a free trade agreement with the United States and oil that gushes out of the ground. If they can't make a go of it with all that, they have problems and they need to look to themselves for the answeres. IT IS TIME TO BUILD A WALL before it is too late. People like this America bashing racist that runs this page want to dissolve the United States.
I don't believe the myth that they 'only take jobs no one wants'. I personally know people here in Massachusetts that want to get jobs in construction, the contractors are beginning to hire exclusively illegal immigrants. If it were me I'd be on the phone to the INS, but being good natured my friends wont do it.
The pizza place I used to frequent, a mom and pop store, has changed to exclusively hispanic immigrants, who will tell you that they fabricate information to get a drivers license so they can work.
If we continue to allow this flood of uneducated people from the south, it is only a matter of time before a seperatist movement grows among the under-employable people flooding in, and our eyeranian friend here will cheer when that happens.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, why come here if you hate America?
Sorry folks, the country is full, try Canada. Its time to paint over that stupid sign on the Statue of Liberty,,, NO VACANCY!
Oh, and before anyone accuses me of racism, which would be rich coming from someone on this page, this has nothing to do with race, or culture, and everything to do with the economic and territorial integrity of the good old U.S.of A.
Posted by: A.H. at January 7, 2004 12:38 PMPedram, your post was an exercise in illustrating an illusion of rationality using shallow arguments of an irrational mind. Just to point one of problems is Pedram's post, I remind you that there is no law more basic than the "Law of the Jungle."
The short-sighted people who did not get the point: Pedram said "continent of America" and may I remind you that although the UNITED STATES wants to give the impression that AMERICA equals US, the fact is that the whole continent, North AND south, is America.
Posted by: Khodadad at January 7, 2004 04:01 PMi strongly agree with Pedram.
A.H.: you are a sour, bitter coward who is unhappy and selfish. accuse you of racism? why didn't you talk about western european immigration as a 'problem'? why only mexico?
Posted by: moni at January 7, 2004 05:17 PMPedram, Thank You! You've hit it exactly where it hurts and you already see examples of that hurt here. You are right 100%. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!
Posted by: NoBody at January 7, 2004 10:40 PMWell I think the words of yourselves and the Eyeranian sum it up. There should be no southern border. To me that says that you do not want there to be a United States.
Furthermore, 25% of 'legal' immigrants from Mexico are on welfare. 35% of the children of legal Mexican immigrants are on welfare. Why should we put up with this.
Its quite simple, the Eyeranian doesn't even think that America has the right to exist.
Posted by: A.H. at January 8, 2004 08:03 AMAnd again, the USA was supposed to be a melting pot, not a Mexico pot. I work with people from all over the world in the hi-tech sector, including Iranians, they are all fine people. If we institute an open border with Mexico, it would mean the eventual end of immigration from other countries.
Posted by: A.H. at January 8, 2004 08:06 AMA.H. if you don't like it, leave. You are an "illegal" anyhow.
Posted by: Kris at January 9, 2004 12:46 AM