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Was there any truth at all behind this Iraq invasion? I know those who supported the war and are now finding themselves in the unpleasant position of re-writing history (or erasing general public's short term memory files), are going to talk about what a horrible beast Saddam was and blah blah blah, but honestly, can they look themselves in the mirror and not admit they were fooled big time? Did I say big? That may be the understatement of the century, try huge, colossal, enormous, gigantic, massive. This was probably the snow job of the history. Here are some samples;
1 - Source of Iraqi WMD information was Chalabi (1.a - As source for Iran is MKO)
2 - Iraqi WMD claims were used for "bureaucratic" reasons to justify the war
3 - The "Saddam Bunker" we hit, didn't exist.
4 - Some quotes to remember.
5 - 71 days and still nothing
6 - Doubts are raised over the intelligence used to justify an attack on Iraq
7 - More quotes
Now if you supported the immoral and illegal invasion of Iraq and can't publicly admit to your mistaken assessment, it's okay. At least somewhere in a secluded and solitary corner, where no one can hear or see or sense, please find a moment of candor with your soul and admit that you were had. Admit that you fell for the BS, although your heart was probably in the right place. You need to do it to move on, to forgive yourself for a blunder, a fable, a corrupted vision. It will do your character, essence and psyche a lot of good. Trust me, it will. Then come back and in public curse me out for not wanting the tyranny of Saddam to end or to support baby-in-the-incubator-killers or whatever other excuse you may need to justify your flawed position. I'll understand.
Pedrum: You're off-target here. First, the Gulf of Tankan Incident was "not true." (Vietnam War) This emerged much later on.
But the campaign to remove Saddam and the Baathist Regime is something else. They seem to be playing a kind of chess game that covers or takes in the overall Mideast Region. One of their main objectives is indeed the elimination of WMD that could present a dangerous, deadly threat to the US and the rest of the world. Removing the Baathist Regime also puts pressure on the other countries in the region to eliminate such weapons.
Posted by: button at May 31, 2003 12:21 AM"the Gulf of Tankan Incident was "not true." (Vietnam War) This emerged much later on."
What does that have to do with anything?
Jerry in Jersey
Posted by: Jerry at May 31, 2003 12:35 AMPedram, I think I fit in here. I don't want to admit that my country did this for no reason at all. It is easier to believe that they can't tell me the real reason. My soul demands that there must be a good reason, for otherwise as a nation we are no better than the bastardly children who would pour gas on a cat and burn it just to hear it scream. If we have erred, and we have erred in more than one way, I can only hope we will learn from the error and not repeat it. I'm sure no one expects an outright appology or admission of wrongdoing, you might think it should happen but you don't expect it. Perhaps what Hooman has on his page today from Colin Powell is a good start. I'd suggest you check it out if you haven't already. I put it on Smile At Me as well. Peace.
Posted by: Dave at May 31, 2003 04:39 AMDave, it's sad that you continue to let yourself be fooled. Can't tell you the real reason??? Myself and thousands of others HAVE told you the reason over and over again and yet you still choose to ignore it. Wake up my friend.
As for Colin, he is the "good cop". All part of the dirty game this administration is playing with the rest of the world.
Please do yourself a favor and don't let them use you this way, anymore.
Your friend.
Posted by: Pedram M. at May 31, 2003 06:18 AMColin plays a "good cop"? absolutely. That's the way this administrations plays. Fool the entire nation, no matter how.
Posted by: Ramin at May 31, 2003 11:37 PMPedram,
the dillema i am having now is whether pro-war folks suffer from a certain Sever IQ-Defficiency syndrom or simply have an inherently malicious mind. Sometimes it's difficult to believe anyone could be so dumb. and I don;t buy the lack-of-info-due-to-propagenda argument either.
I think this (pyche of the American mind) requires much sociological research.
maybe u could write about the self-fulfilled prophecy of "democracy" and freedom of "mind" in this strange society sometime.
Well I am having one of my terribly thick moments I guess. I've heard all the reasons everyone is sure it wasn't. It wasn't WMD, it wasn't to liberate Iraq, but you say everyone has told me what it is. OK, at the risk of sounding oh so stupid, what was it again? Was it the "pour the gas on and burn them just to hear them scream" thing? I heard the US just wanted the oil. Those people are also a little thick, we get all the oil we want to buy anyway.
As for those who are sure that American's are just self centered, small minded bullies, I think the majority (not all, I didn't say all) are doing some serious soul searching right now. From where I'm standing, both the government of the US and of Iran are a problem, neither of us should get any sattisfaction from saying "mine's better". Right now, the US is looking bad because they were bigger and got in the first punch perhaps. Do you think your government wouldn't have done something like that if it could?
Dear Dave;
If you are asking for my reasons for the invasion, here’s what I wrote long before the first bombs dropped:
http://www.iranian.com/PedramMoallemian/2002/October/Iraq/index.html
However, the premise of your last question is just wrong and I believe it comes from what many U.S. citizens (“American” would imply people from America, which is two very large continents with very diverse cultures, nationalities and backgrounds) have mistaken for patriotism. It is not a question of if one government is right and the other one wrong. I already accept that the government in control of my country is a criminal entity, are you prepared to say and accept the same about yours?
Somehow, the idea of questioning authority and the right to dissent became unpatriotic in this country around September 12th of 2001. I think the exact opposite is true. Your government engaged in an illegal and immoral act and based it on total lies and fabrication. Don’t tell me they can’t or won’t tell you the real reasons, because they HAVE to. This is supposedly not a dictatorship and in a democracy, clarity and being accountable to the voters is a key principal. After all, in a few months they are going to ask you to vote for them again and what will they say? “We did lots of things during the last term in office, many of them very controversial, but don’t ask why we did them ‘cause we can’t tell you. Just vote for us and trust us, we are very trustworthy people” I'd say Bull Shit!
So, here’s my suggestion; right now, long before they “miraculously” find WMD evidences they couldn’t find for almost 3 months, and even longer before they inexplicably capture Usama (correct spelling, the only name in the world starting with USA to my knowledge) or even Saddam to help them win another term, decide to stand up and acknowledge what they did was just plain wrong and you would not let them do it again.
Your nation’s honor and integrity is under question in the eyes of millions around the world, and if more U.S. citizens stand up and fight the wrongs of this criminal administration, there will still be time for salvation.
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